September 2, 2026
Host
Welcome back to the Toxic Podcast. I'm Pastor Jake O'Connel, and I'm here with my cohost, Shannon L. Alder, relationship life coach and author of the bestselling book, The Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Bible. Shannon, today we're tackling a topic that leaves so many people feeling like they're losing their minds: gaslighting in relationships.
Guest
Jake, I'm so glad we're covering this. Gaslighting is one of the most insidious forms of emotional abuse because it makes you question your own reality. And the worst part is, it's often so subtle that you don't even realize it's happening until you're deep in it.
Host
Right. And I think a lot of people have heard the term, but they don't fully understand what it is and what it isn't. So let's start there. What exactly is gaslighting?
Guest
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation where one person makes another person doubt their own memory, perception, or sanity. It's a deliberate tactic used to gain power and control. The term comes from a 1944 film called Gaslight, where a husband slowly dims the gas lights in their home and then tells his wife she's imagining it. He isolates her and makes her believe she's going crazy.
Host
That's a powerful origin story. So it's not just a disagreement or someone remembering things differently. It's a systematic pattern of denial and distortion.
Guest
Exactly. And that's a key point. Gaslighting is not a one-time argument where someone says, 'I don't remember it that way.' It's a repeated, intentional pattern. It's not about being right or wrong in a debate. It's about making you feel unstable so the abuser can maintain control.
Host
So what are some things gaslighting is not? Because I think people sometimes misuse the term.
Guest
Great question. Gaslighting is not simply having a different opinion. It's not forgetting a minor detail. It's not being told you're wrong about a fact when you actually are wrong. And it's not a healthy conflict where both people are trying to understand each other. Gaslighting is specifically about eroding someone's sense of reality to dominate them.
Host
That distinction is so important. So how do you recognize gaslighting when it's happening to you? What are the red flags?
Guest
There are several classic signs. First, you constantly second-guess yourself. You apologize all the time, even when you're not sure what you did wrong. You feel confused and disoriented in the relationship. You start to believe you're too sensitive or overreacting. And you often make excuses for your partner's behavior to friends and family.
Host
I've heard people say they feel like they're walking on eggshells. Is that part of it?
Guest
Absolutely. Walking on eggshells is a huge indicator. You're constantly monitoring your words and actions to avoid triggering your partner's anger or denial. You might also notice that your partner denies things they clearly said or did, even when you have proof. They might say things like, 'That never happened,' or 'You're imagining things,' or 'You're too sensitive.'
Host
And what about the narcissist's role in this? Because our listeners know we talk a lot about narcissistic abuse.
Guest
Narcissists are master gaslighters. They use it to protect their fragile ego and maintain their false self-image. They need to be right, they need to be in control, and they need you to doubt yourself so you won't challenge them. They'll rewrite history, deny their own words, and project their behavior onto you. For example, if they're cheating, they'll accuse you of being paranoid or even cheating yourself.
Host
That projection is so confusing. You start to wonder if you're the problem.
Guest
Exactly. And that's the goal. The narcissist wants you to feel like the crazy one so they can avoid accountability. They'll say things like, 'You're remembering it wrong,' or 'I never said that,' or 'You're making things up to start a fight.' Over time, you lose trust in your own judgment.
Host
Shannon, I know you often recommend resources to help people understand these dynamics. Is there a movie that illustrates gaslighting really well that our listeners could rent on Prime?
Guest
Yes, absolutely. The classic film I mentioned earlier, Gaslight from 1944, is available to rent on Amazon Prime. It's the origin of the term, and it's a chilling, perfect example of how a manipulator slowly erodes someone's reality. Watching it can be incredibly validating because you see the tactics laid out so clearly. It helps you recognize the pattern in your own life.
Host
That's a great recommendation. So once someone recognizes they're being gaslit, what can they do to overcome it? Because I know the feeling of going crazy is real.
Guest
The first step is to trust your own reality again. Start keeping a journal. Write down what happened, what was said, and how you felt. This creates an objective record you can refer back to when your partner tries to rewrite history. It's also crucial to stop engaging in the gaslighter's reality. You don't have to prove them wrong or win the argument. Simply state your truth and disengage.
Host
So it's about not playing their game.
Guest
Exactly. Don't argue with a gaslighter. They will never admit they're wrong. Instead, set firm boundaries. Say things like, 'I know what I saw, and I'm not going to discuss it further.' Then remove yourself from the conversation. Also, seek support from people who validate your reality—trusted friends, a therapist, or a support group. Isolation is the gaslighter's best friend.
Host
And what about self-care? Because this kind of abuse takes a toll on your mental health.
Guest
Self-care is essential. Practice grounding techniques to stay present. Remind yourself of your strengths and your worth. Affirmations can help—things like, 'I trust my perceptions,' or 'My feelings are valid.' And if you're in a relationship with a narcissist, you may need to consider whether the relationship is safe for you at all. Sometimes the only way to truly heal is to leave.
Host
That's a hard truth, but an important one. Shannon, you've written extensively about this in The Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Bible. Can you share a little about the resources you offer for people who are ready to break free?
Guest
Of course. My book, The Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Bible, is a comprehensive guide to understanding and healing from narcissistic abuse. I also have a 90 Days to Freedom Workbook that's a supplemental to my new book on Life after Narcissism coming out next year. And I'm creating a new course on how to Break the Trauma Bond in 90 days. All of these resources are designed to help you reclaim your reality and rebuild your life.
Host
That's incredible. And where can our listeners find all of that?
Guest
Everything is available on my website, shannonalder.com. You can learn about the 90 Days to Freedom Workbook, the new book, and the upcoming course on breaking the trauma bond. It's all there to support you on your healing journey.
Host
Thank you, Shannon. And I want to remind our listeners to follow us on all podcast platforms. Also, stop by Staying Positive University on Facebook to hear uplifting quotes about emotional abuse. It's a community where you can find encouragement and hope.
Guest
Yes, please join us there. You are not alone, and there is a path forward.
Host
Before we close, I want to read a scripture that speaks to overcoming abuse. Psalm 34:18 says, 'The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.' If you've been gaslit, you may feel crushed in spirit, but God sees you, and He is near.
Guest
That's beautiful, Jake. And I want to add that healing is possible. You can trust yourself again. You can rebuild your life.
Host
Let's pray. Father God, we lift up every listener who has been manipulated, confused, and made to feel crazy. We ask for Your healing over their minds and hearts. Restore their sense of truth and their confidence in their own perceptions. Break every chain of gaslighting and narcissistic abuse. Surround them with people who speak life and truth. Give them the courage to set boundaries and the wisdom to know when to walk away. In Jesus' name, Amen.
Guest
Amen. Thank you, Jake. And thank you to everyone listening. Remember, your reality matters. Your feelings are valid. And you deserve to be treated with respect and love.
Host
Amen. That's all for today's episode of the Toxic Podcast. Don't forget to visit shannonalder.com for the 90 Days to Freedom Workbook and all of Shannon's resources. Follow us on all podcast platforms, and join us at Staying Positive University on Facebook. Until next time, stay strong and stay in the truth. God bless.