September 2, 2026
Host
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Toxic Podcast. I'm your host, Jake Oconnel, and today we're diving into a question that so many people struggle with: Why do I still miss the person who hurt me? Specifically, missing a narcissist. Joining me today is the incredible Shannon L. Alder, relationship life coach and author of the best-selling book, The Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Bible. Shannon, welcome to the show!
Guest
Thanks, Jake, I'm really happy to be here. This topic is so close to my heart, and I hear this question all the time from my clients. It's one of the most confusing and painful parts of healing from narcissistic abuse.
Host
Right? I think a lot of people feel ashamed for missing someone who treated them badly. They think it means they're weak or that they didn't really want to leave. Can you explain why this happens from a psychological standpoint?
Guest
Absolutely. The short answer is that missing a narcissist is not a sign of weakness—it's a sign of your brain's chemistry. You see, relationships with narcissists often involve what we call intermittent reinforcement. That means the narcissist gives you just enough affection, validation, and attention to keep you hooked, but then they withdraw it unpredictably. This creates a trauma bond, which is essentially an addiction to the toxic cycle.
Host
That's a great point. So it's similar to how a slot machine works, right? You never know when you're going to get that hit of love, so you keep pulling the lever because the unpredictability makes the reward feel even more intense.
Guest
Exactly, Jake. And the science backs this up. Studies on intermittent reinforcement show that it produces the highest rates of behavior persistence—even higher than consistent rewards. When a narcissist alternates between love bombing and coldness, your brain releases dopamine, the feel-good chemical, during the good times. Then when they withdraw, your brain goes into a state of stress, releasing cortisol. You start craving that dopamine hit again, which makes you miss them, even when you know they hurt you.
Host
Wow, so it's literally a chemical addiction. I've read that trauma bonds can be as powerful as drug addiction. Is that true?
Guest
Yes, and neuroimaging studies have shown that the same brain regions activated in drug addiction are also activated in romantic love, especially when it's an obsessive or unstable love. Dr. Helen Fisher's research on romantic love found that the dopamine-rich areas of the brain light up when someone is deeply in love. But when that love is paired with fear and anxiety—like in a narcissistic relationship—the emotional intensity becomes even more addictive. It's a perfect storm.
Host
So even though logically we know the person is toxic, our brain is still chasing that high. That explains why people go back, or why they can't stop thinking about the narcissist even after the relationship ends.
Guest
Exactly. And there's another component: oxytocin. That's the bonding hormone, sometimes called the cuddle hormone. It's released during physical touch, emotional intimacy, and even just thinking about someone we love. In an abusive relationship, especially if there were moments of tenderness, oxytocin creates a deep attachment bond. So your brain has two powerful chemicals working against you, making it incredibly hard to let go.
Host
It's almost like your brain is betraying you. You know this person is harmful, but your body and emotions are saying, 'No, we need them.' How does that cognitive dissonance play into this?
Guest
Cognitive dissonance is huge. It's the mental discomfort we feel when we hold two conflicting beliefs. For example, you might think, 'I'm a smart, capable person,' but at the same time, 'I stayed with someone who treated me terribly.' To reduce that discomfort, your brain rationalizes: 'Well, it wasn't all bad. They really loved me deep down. If I just tried harder, they would change.' This rationalization keeps you stuck and missing them, because acknowledging the truth—that you were abused—is too painful at first.
Host
That makes so much sense. So when someone says, 'I miss the narcissist,' what they're really missing is that fantasy version of the person, not the actual abuser. Is that right?
Guest
Absolutely. You're missing the person they pretended to be during the love bombing phase. You're missing the potential you saw in them. You're missing the hope that things could get better. But that person never really existed, or they existed only briefly as a manipulation tactic. The real narcissist is the one who lies, gaslights, and devalues you.
Host
And that's a hard pill to swallow. So how long does this missing phase typically last? I know it varies, but is there a general timeline for healing from a trauma bond?
Guest
It really depends on the individual, the length of the relationship, and whether they go no contact. But on average, it takes several months to significantly reduce the intense cravings and emotional attachment. Some research suggests that the acute withdrawal phase from a toxic relationship can last anywhere from 30 to 90 days. After that, the intensity starts to fade, but full healing can take much longer—often a year or more—because you also need to rewire your brain and rebuild your sense of self.
Host
So the 90-day mark is a crucial milestone. That's interesting because you have something called the 90 Days to Freedom Workbook, right? But we'll talk about that later. First, let's dig into the science a bit more. What actually happens in the brain when someone tries to leave a narcissist and then misses them? Is it similar to withdrawal from a substance?
Guest
Yes, it's very similar. When you leave an abusive relationship, your brain experiences a drop in dopamine and oxytocin, which can cause symptoms like anxiety, depression, obsessive thoughts, and intense loneliness. You may also experience physical symptoms like changes in appetite, sleep disturbances, and even heart palpitations. Some people describe it as feeling like they're detoxing from a drug. And in a way, they are.
Host
That sounds incredibly difficult. But here's the hopeful part: the brain is plastic. It can heal and form new neural pathways. How does that work in the context of overcoming a trauma bond?
Guest
Neuroplasticity is your best friend in recovery. Every time you resist the urge to contact the narcissist, every time you choose self-care over rumination, you're strengthening new neural connections. Over time, those connections become the default pathways. The craving for the narcissist weakens, and your brain starts to find pleasure in healthy activities instead. It takes consistent effort, but it absolutely works.
Host
So it's like retraining your brain. What are some practical steps someone can take to speed up this process? I imagine no contact is the first one.
Guest
No contact is non-negotiable. As long as you're still interacting with the narcissist, even just checking their social media, you're keeping the addiction alive. Every time you see their face or read their words, you get a mini dopamine hit. So block them, delete their number, and ask friends not to share updates. It's painful at first, but it's the only way to break the cycle.
Host
That's tough, especially when you're in the throes of missing them. What about therapy? Is that essential?
Guest
Therapy can be incredibly helpful, especially with a professional who understands narcissistic abuse and trauma bonds. EMDR therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy, and trauma-focused therapy have all been shown to help rewire the brain and process the trauma. But even without formal therapy, joining a support group, reading books on the topic, and journaling can make a huge difference.
Host
Journaling is something you recommend a lot in your work, I believe. How does writing help with overcoming the urge to reach out?
Guest
Journaling helps you externalize your thoughts and feelings instead of acting on them. When you write down what you're experiencing—the longing, the anger, the sadness—you create distance. You can also write a list of all the reasons you left, and read it every time you miss them. This interrupts the idealization and brings you back to reality.
Host
That's a powerful tool. Now, I want to play devil's advocate for a moment. Some people say, 'But what if the narcissist really loved me? What if I was the problem?' How do you address that kind of self-blame?
Guest
That's a common and heartbreaking thought. I have to respectfully challenge that idea. A narcissist's love is conditional and self-serving. They may have moments of affection, but those moments are always about what you can do for them—supply, admiration, control. True love doesn't involve systematic devaluation, gaslighting, and emotional abuse. The self-blame is part of the cognitive dissonance we talked about. You need to remind yourself that you did the best you could with the information you had, and that the abuse was never your fault.
Host
That's a strong point. And it brings us to the most important question: how do you know you're actually healing? What are the signs that the trauma bond is breaking?
Guest
Great question. Healing isn't linear, but there are milestones. You'll notice that you think about the narcissist less often. When you do think about them, the feelings aren't as intense—more like a dull ache instead of a sharp pain. You'll start to enjoy activities again, sleep better, and feel more like yourself. You'll also begin to trust your own judgment and set healthier boundaries. Eventually, the idea of contacting them will feel repulsive rather than tempting.
Host
That's incredibly encouraging. And I know you have resources to help people through that process. You mentioned earlier the 90 Days to Freedom Workbook. Can you tell us more about that, and maybe your upcoming projects?
Guest
Absolutely, Jake. My 90 Days to Freedom Workbook is a supplemental guide to my new book coming out next year called Life after Narcissism. It's a structured program to help you break the trauma bond step by step over three months. And I'm also creating a new online course called How to Break the Trauma Bond in 90 Days, which goes even deeper with video lessons, exercises, and community support. All of it is designed to give you practical tools based on the science we've been discussing.
Host
That sounds amazing. So where can our listeners find all of this?
Guest
Everything is available on my website, shannonalder.com. You can learn more about the workbook, the upcoming book, and the course there. And if you join my email list, you'll get free tips and updates as the resources launch.
Host
Perfect. And just to recap for our listeners: if you're missing a narcissist, remember it's not your fault—it's your brain chemistry. But you can rewire your brain, break the trauma bond, and heal. It takes time, often months, but with the right tools and support, you will get through this. Shannon, any final words of encouragement for someone who's struggling right now?
Guest
I want everyone listening to know that you are stronger than you realize. You survived the abuse, and you can survive the healing. Be patient with yourself. Celebrate small victories. And never give up. The day will come when you look back and feel nothing but gratitude that you walked away.
Host
Beautifully said. Thank you so much, Shannon, for sharing your expertise and your heart with us today. And to our listeners, don't forget to visit shannonalder.com to learn about the 90 Days to Freedom Workbook, which is a supplemental to her new book on Life after Narcissism coming out next year. She's also creating a new course on how to Break the Trauma Bond in 90 days—all can be found on her website. That's all the time we have for today. I'm Jake Oconnel, and this has been the Toxic Podcast. Take care of yourselves, and we'll see you next time.