July 2, 2026
Host
Welcome back to the show. Today we’re spending time with Chapter 16 of Loving Wisdom from the Universe, The Mineral Kingdom II. And Lionel, the image that stayed with me is the well: going down, finding steadiness, and then coming back into ordinary life with something changed. Was that the part that stayed with you too?
Guest
Thank you, Anna. Yes, very much. The well is the image I kept returning to as well, because it gives the whole chapter a shape you can actually feel. What I like about this chapter is that it begins with a very wide voice. It speaks as the whole Mineral Kingdom: crystal energy, mineral energy, centres, powers, frequencies, all gathered together. So there’s this great sense of totality, as if the ground beneath us is speaking as one field rather than as separate pieces. And then, quite beautifully, it gives us something simple: a circle, a well, a movement downwards, and then a return. So the scale is large, but the practice is close. You can almost feel it in the body. It is not only an idea about the Earth; it is an invitation to make contact with a deeper kind of steadiness. For me, that is the first practical gift of the chapter. It reminds us that steadiness is not something we have to invent from scratch. It is already there. We return to it.
Host
That contrast really works for me: the whole Mineral Kingdom on one side, and then this intimate image of the well on the other. The chapter also says humanity becomes part of the solution when it joins the wider equation. How do you hear that phrase?
Guest
For me, the wider equation is really about belonging. The chapter says humanity alone cannot solve the problems humanity has generated. But it also says we do not need to despair, because humanity is only part of the equation. That is a very important distinction. It is not saying human beings are powerless. It is saying we become less helpful when we act as if we are separate from the rest of life. So the movement in the chapter is from isolation into communion. Human energy comes back into harmony with mineral energy, and then the animal and vegetable kingdoms are brought into that harmony too. It is a vision of relationship. And that is very practical. If I walk into a room rushed and tight, I affect the room. If I reply to someone from pressure, I affect the conversation. If I meet the day as if I am on my own, battling everything separately, then I can easily become part of the strain. The chapter offers a different posture. Before adding more energy to a situation, come back into contact. Feel the ground. Remember that you are part of the world you are acting in. That is the wider equation in daily life.
Host
So it isn’t just about becoming calmer by yourself. It’s about the quality you bring into everything around you. What does that look like in ordinary life: emails, meetings, family pressure, all the usual noise?
Guest
Very simply, it starts physically. If I can, I step outside for a minute. I feel my feet inside my shoes. I look at a tree, or the sky, or even the stone of a wall. I let my body arrive before I speak or reply. That phrase matters to me: let the body arrive. A lot of the time our mind has raced ahead and the rest of us is trying to catch up. If I cannot go outside, I use what is already there. A hand on the table. Both feet on the floor. One slower breath. It sounds small, but it changes the next sentence. The question I often use is: what would steadiness do here? Sometimes steadiness speaks. Sometimes steadiness waits. Sometimes steadiness sends the email tomorrow morning. And I think that is very much in the spirit of the well. You are not trying to make life dramatic. You are letting the first rush settle so something more useful can come through. The outer action might be tiny, but inwardly there is a descent. You are going beneath the surface noise.
Host
I like that. “Sometimes steadiness sends the email tomorrow” feels like the chapter translated into Tuesday afternoon. But what does the well add beyond ordinary grounding?
Guest
The well adds depth and relationship. Ordinary grounding might be: feel your feet, take a breath, settle your body. That is already valuable. But the well gives it a fuller movement. In the chapter, the group is asked to let the mind sink down into the well, down into the Mineral Kingdom, and to sense a source there. That source is described almost like a fountain, a place from which transforming energy can be drawn. So when I think about the well, I do not think of going blank. I think of receiving. You go down into steadiness, and you receive a quality you can bring back. That quality might be patience. It might be clarity. It might be courage. It might simply be enough groundedness to listen properly. And that is very recognisable in daily life. You pause, you settle, and you come back less scattered than when you began. The well also reminds us that the ground is not just scenery. In the language of the chapter, the Mineral Kingdom is responsive. There is communion. There is relationship. So the practice becomes more than calming yourself down. It becomes a way of remembering that you are held within a larger field of life.
Host
The return feels crucial. The chapter doesn’t just send people down into the well. It asks them to come back “whole, complete, and all back.” That phrase really stood out to me.
Guest
And then comes that very plain instruction: come back whole, complete, and all back. It is simple, but it is caring. It says: come back fully. Open your eyes. Feel your hands. Notice the room. Bring the steadiness into life. I find that very helpful because we are often scattered without realising it. A bit of us in yesterday. A bit of us in tomorrow. A bit in the phone. A bit in the thing we wish we had said. And then we wonder why we do not feel steady. The well gathers us. For a few moments, you are here. All of you. And from that place you have more choice. You might still say the difficult thing. You might still act firmly. But you are less likely to add unnecessary agitation to the moment. So the test is not whether you had a beautiful private experience. The test is what happens next. Are you kinder in the kitchen? Are you clearer in the meeting? Do you listen better? Do you bring more steadiness into a place that needs it?
Host
That makes the practice feel very usable. The chapter was originally spoken to a group, and it mentions repeating the exercise semi-regularly, maybe once a month. How do you hear that rhythm?
Guest
I hear it as gentle, and I think that is important. Once a month is not a burden. It is a way of remembering. It gives the practice a rhythm without turning it into a regime. You could do it alone, but the group element matters because the chapter is about communion: human energy, mineral energy, and the harmony that touches the animal and vegetable kingdoms as well. So a group might sit together, bring the image of the well to mind, and ask: what steadiness are we being given, and what awareness can we carry into the month ahead? That could be a spiritual group. It could be a family. It could be a team. It could be a circle of friends. The form can be simple. The point is the shared intention. And I think this is where the positive practical idea becomes stronger. Grounding is not just something we do because life is stressful. It is something we do so that we can bring a better quality into life. We become more available. More able to listen. More able to serve. More able to respond without losing ourselves. The chapter says to take the awareness out and use it. That is very direct. The return is not the end of the practice. The return is where the practice begins to matter.
Host
That connects with the idea of Centres of Light, doesn’t it? How does that fit for you, especially with The Isbourne?
Guest
For me, The Isbourne in England is the Centre of Light I know best. It is a place of learning, reflection, healing, and goodwill. But in the spirit of the book, Centres of Light can be found and formed around the world. They begin wherever people come together with loving goodwill and a wish to serve life more consciously. That could be a formal centre. It could also begin quietly: a few people meeting with sincerity, holding light and steadiness for their community. And Chapter 16 fits that beautifully, because it asks a group to receive awareness and then take it out into the world. So a Centre of Light is not only a place. It is also a quality people carry. A quality of gathering, and then a quality of return. But from the book, You gather around the well. You receive. You come back whole. Then you carry something into the world: steadiness, goodwill, awareness, service. That keeps the chapter’s thread intact. It starts with the whole Mineral Kingdom. It moves into communion. It gives the image of the well. It asks for a return. And then it says, take this out into the world and use it. So the phrase I would leave people with is: ground before action. Feel the floor. Take one slower breath. Remember the well beneath the surface of things. Let your attention settle down for a moment. Receive whatever steadiness is available. Then come back whole and respond.
Host
Ground before action. That’s the phrase I’m taking with me. Thank you, Lionel. For anyone who wants to explore more of the wider teaching, you can visit there is only love dot org. Take it slowly: one chapter, one image, one small practice at a time. Thanks for joining us, and we’ll see you in the next episode.
Guest
Thank you, Anna. It’s been a real pleasure, as always. And for anyone near Cheltenham in England who would like to explore this in person, The Isbourne is one living example of a Centre of Light. You can find them at isbourne dot org — that’s I S B O U R N E dot org. But the wider idea in the book is much larger than one place. Centres of Light can be found, and formed, all around the world wherever people come together with loving goodwill and a wish to bring more light, steadiness and service into ordinary life.
Host
Thanks again Lionel, and for the delightful tea you brought along all the way from ENGLAND!